Bubba The Love Sponge Listening Thread Nov 8-12, 2010

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SJ and I've never seen a windows computer that is set up to work with midi windows has no software - no drivers... nothing for it I know cause I have midi equipment - on my mac I just plug and play - on my windows I had to buy a controller box, special cables and software

Well, typically that would depend on the audio card if it supports midi or not. That is not a Windows issue. Midi is it's own standard, not part of an OS. The drivers would need to come from the hardware mfg.

[SJ]

Originally Posted by The Butler Let the weekend commence!

if I didn't know what you did for a living I would be guessing government after this statement

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Butler Let the weekend commence!

Ummmm

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by SJ and I've never seen a windows computer that is set up to work with midi windows has no software - no drivers... nothing for it I know cause I have midi equipment - on my mac I just plug and play - on my windows I had to buy a controller box, special cables and software well I needed a box for the mac too but the mac one wouldn't work on windows.... fuck you bill gates

Compared to USB or FireWire, the computer network implementation of MIDI provides network routing capabilities, which are extremely useful in studio or stage environments (USB and FireWire are more restrictive in the connections between computers and devices). Ethernet is moreover capable of providing the high-bandwidth channel that earlier alternatives to MIDI (such as ZIPI) were intended to bring.

After the initial fight between different protocols (IEEE-P1639, MIDI-LAN, IETF RTP-MIDI), it appears that IETF's RTP MIDI specification for transport of MIDI streams over computer networks is now spreading faster and faster since more and more manufacturers are integrating RTP-MIDI in their products (Apple, CME, Kiss-Box, etc.). Mac OS X, Windows and Linux drivers are also available to make RTP MIDI devices appear as standard MIDI devices within these operating systems. IEEE-P1639 is now a dead project. The other proprietary MIDI/IP protocols are slowly disappearing, since most of them require expensive licensing to be implemented (while RTP MIDI is completely open), or the MIDI implementation does not bring any real advantage (apart from speed) over original MIDI protocol.

[SJ]

Originally Posted by milkman Well, typically that would depend on the audio card if it supports midi or not. That is not a Windows issue. Midi is it's own standard, not part of an OS. The drivers would need to come from the hardware mfg.

who do you think set that standard?

windows did

fact is - windows have NEVER been the choice for musicians

just read some magazines and you'll see they all recommend mac for a serious studio.

hell mac engineered the velocity engine just to handle music better then any other computer before it...

same with video editing... so much better on a mac IMO

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by The Butler Let the weekend commence!

I got 9 more hours and me weekend can begin.

[SJ]

Originally Posted by Mugsytank Compared to USB or FireWire, the computer network implementation of MIDI provides network routing capabilities, which are extremely useful in studio or stage environments (USB and FireWire are more restrictive in the connections between computers and devices). Ethernet is moreover capable of providing the high-bandwidth channel that earlier alternatives to MIDI (such as ZIPI) were intended to bring. After the initial fight between different protocols (IEEE-P1639, MIDI-LAN, IETF RTP-MIDI), it appears that IETF's RTP MIDI specification for transport of MIDI streams over computer networks is now spreading faster and faster since more and more manufacturers are integrating RTP-MIDI in their products (Apple, CME, Kiss-Box, etc.). Mac OS X, Windows and Linux drivers are also available to make RTP MIDI devices appear as standard MIDI devices within these operating systems. IEEE-P1639 is now a dead project. The other proprietary MIDI/IP protocols are slowly disappearing, since most of them require expensive licensing to be implemented (while RTP MIDI is completely open), or the MIDI implementation does not bring any real advantage (apart from speed) over original MIDI protocol.

you realize MAC invented fire wire and pushed it? it's faster then USB by a MILE

[Chob]

If I didn't know better, I'd think this was the Geek Time listening thread.

[The Butler]

Originally Posted by SJ if I didn't know what you did for a living I would be guessing government after this statement

I had a grueling 2 hour meeting with a not too happy chief of staff to the mayor today. Didn't really like the answers to why we weren't funding his project.

[SJ]

I don't think you can control actual hardware with firewire and usb - maybe but all the good shit is midi as it's made for a studio and real equipment like a reel to reel recorder etc

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by SJ you realize MAC invented fire wire and pushed it? it's faster then USB by a MILE

And it probably cost 5 times more for a firewire cable than a usb cable.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SJ who do you think set that standard? windows did fact is - windows have NEVER been the choice for musicians just read some magazines and you'll see they all recommend mac for a serious studio. hell mac engineered the velocity engine just to handle music better then any other computer before it... same with video editing... so much better on a mac IMO

Bullshit, MS doesn't set standards, it is either IEEE, or another body. They may lead an effort to bring something to market, like Cisco does all the time, but usually have to change once standards are adopted.

[SJ]

Originally Posted by Chob If I didn't know better, I'd think this was the Geek Time listening thread.

oddly this topic seems to always generate discussion

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mugsytank And it probably cost 5 times more for a firewire cable than a usb cable.

It does...or at least did.

[Chob]

I caught the show live(!) this morning so I'm listening to Stern. Ronnie is radio gold. GOLD.