Debt ceiling

[Spaz]

So let me get this right,the (R)s say they won't sign on to anything that raises taxes and they want the Govt to cut spending.
The (D)s say they the answer is to raise taxes but seem to not want any cutting of Govt spending.

I don't get it, going by what the (D)s have says so far on this,SPENDING is not the issue but it's the fact that the American people Don't pay ENOUGH taxes ....Sure it's easy to sit back and say "well the rich should pay more" but the fact is,the problems we have are Govt issues. Especially given the fact that through entitlements (welfare,Medicare) and programs like it and
almost 50% of the people sucking off the system pay 0.0 taxes. And the fact is as this debt problem and Govt spending continues it means that all the products the MIDDLECLASS purchases ,cost more. Meaning that even the money they still have is worth less . IT IS A FACT THAT RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS,EVEN IF WE TAXED EVERY PERSON AT
100% IT WOULDN'T MAKE A DENT IN OUR DEBT. So until the cuts are made,raising taxes won't do dick . Am i wrong on this?
Cause it's the peoples money ,not the Govts. So fuck them cut the fucking spending.

[milkman]

Not to mention this so called "Deal" they are working on is nothing more than fantasy math of what "could" happen in the future, if future congress "agree" to implement the "cuts" they are talking about. Which are nothing more than a shell game of cutting this, adding this, to have the same.

If businesses did this shit with their accounting, they would be in prison, unless of course they they were bailed out by the gov, in which their execs get major bonuses.

It is all a fuckin joke. But as long as over 50% or more of the population pay ZERO taxes, no one cares, cuz it doesn't affect them. Well at least not enough care.

Tax the rich more, then wonder why business doesn't create jobs.

Not to mention, this fuckin admin wants to tax more, lift the ceiling, but not cut shit, in fact add more stimulus to "create" jobs. Yeah, like the millions of "shovel ready" jobs they have created with their almost $2 trillion stimulus so far!

[milkman]

Hmmm, who said this?

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Oh yeah, then Sen Barack Obama...my oh my! Now that he has created more of a deficit than ALL past presidents combined, he wants mo money. Talk about fuckin pathetic!!

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-andrew-c-mcca

[PeteFromPA]

Who do you think the debt it owed to? The Federal Reserve, a consortium of international banking interests for which we do not have a complete, detailed membership knowledge, which we cannot BY LAW audit, which is led by an APPOINTEE of the President of the United States, and which has the authority to PRINT MONEY as it sees fit, backed by NOTHING.

Defaulting on the "national debt" is no more than telling the rich fucks that are very quickly enslaving humans around the globe that they are not going to get their money, and that enough is enough. Yes, they will fight back by creating chaos and panic, the likes of which we have never seen, but in the end they only have the power WE GIVE THEM.

I say default, just like we should have left GM, AIG, Chrysler and the rest of them fail. Default like so many other countries default on the loans WE GAVE THEM.

Fuck everybody.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by PeteFromPA Who do you think the debt it owed to? The Federal Reserve, a consortium of international banking interests for which we do not have a complete, detailed membership knowledge, which we cannot BY LAW audit, which is led by an APPOINTEE of the President of the United States, and which has the authority to PRINT MONEY as it sees fit, backed by NOTHING. Defaulting on the "national debt" is no more than telling the rich fucks that are very quickly enslaving humans around the globe that they are not going to get their money, and that enough is enough. Yes, they will fight back by creating chaos and panic, the likes of which we have never seen, but in the end they only have the power WE GIVE THEM. I say default, just like we should have left GM, AIG, Chrysler and the rest of them fail. Default like so many other countries default on the loans WE GAVE THEM. Fuck everybody.

Interesting ....Where do you draw the line to determine the rich fucks? You mean like Bilderberger rich right or the dude who built a good business
from the ground up and has a few million in the bank and some assets here and there ?
Cause i think i'm with you here ....Just tired of the elected officials making it so easy for them to enslave the peoples with their out of control spending and borrowing ..

[PeteFromPA]

Originally Posted by SPAZ Interesting ....Where do you draw the line to determine the rich fucks? You mean like Bilderberger rich right or the dude who built a good business from the ground up and has a few million in the bank and some assets here and there ? Cause i think i'm with you here ....Just tired of the elected officials making it so easy for them to enslave the peoples with their out of control spending and borrowing ..

Bilderberger rich fucks. The rest of them are just tools. The people controlling the money and what it is worth are the ones that need to be stopped. They are already more powerful than any government on earth. Look what happened when we demanded to audit the Federal Reserve. They basically said no, and you had better be good girls and boys or we're going to make your lives a living hell. And they went ahead and gave us a taste of it by devaluing the dollar so much that it is already being discarded as the standard currency in some countries.

I'm telling you all: these people are incredibly evil and powerful, and will not stop enslaving their fellow humans until they ARE stopped. They are the most powerful force on this planet as far as human beings are concerned.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by PeteFromPA I'm telling you all: these people are incredibly evil and powerful, and will not stop enslaving their fellow humans until they ARE stopped. They are the most powerful force on this planet as far as human beings are concerned.

So you have done alot of research on this thing ? Cause you need to clue me in on it
or at least hook a brutha up with some sources to read or watch .

[PeteFromPA]

Originally Posted by SPAZ So you have done alot of research on this thing ? Cause you need to clue me in on it or at least hook a brutha up with some sources to read or watch .

Sources for my world beliefs? That's going to take a while. You can amuse yourself with finding info on H.R. 1207 (and S 604) and why it died in committee. You can check out Alex Jones and Alan Watt's archives, among others, and sort the chaff from the wheat there (yeah, some of what THEY say is bullshit, too). You can give yourself a little history lesson on the Rockefeller family, the DuPonts and others.

It goes on and on and on. And it's always about power, not even money. Money is only used to gain power. So, you can follow the money, but in the end, it's about power. Power over the human race and, ultimately, the planet.

[Lerch]

"Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws"

[PeteFromPA]

And don't be fooled by the fact that nobody actually OWNS the Federal Reserve Banking system. It is run by the Rothschilds at the top, JP Morgan/Chase, yada, yada friggin' yada. While John Perkins (Confessions of a Corporate Hitman) talks about the "corporatocracy", it's the international bankers that rule even them. They are on top of everything, and are well on their way to enslaving all of mankind.

Have a nice day.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by PeteFromPA While John Perkins (Confessions of a Corporate Hitman) talks about the "corporatocracy", it's the international bankers that rule even them. They are on top of everything, and are well on their way to enslaving all of mankind.

Ledge was playing some of that i think. I wish Ledge would dig into this stuff deeper .
He gets me going then keeps reverting to the 911 stuff that i already heard a bazillion times from every where .
Do think it's tied in some way ?

[WadeJordan]

Originally Posted by SPAZ Ledge was playing some of that i think. I wish Ledge would dig into this stuff deeper . He gets me going then keeps reverting to the 911 stuff that i already heard a bazillion times from every where . Do think it's tied in some way ?

Ledge better hold up to what he has been saying and that is if he goes every week , he will do whole shows on these things and not chop it up like he has been

[WadeJordan]

Originally Posted by PeteFromPA And don't be fooled by the fact that nobody actually OWNS the Federal Reserve Banking system. It is run by the Rothschilds at the top, JP Morgan/Chase, yada, yada friggin' yada. While John Perkins (Confessions of a Corporate Hitman) talks about the "corporatocracy", it's the international bankers that rule even them. They are on top of everything, and are well on their way to enslaving all of mankind. Have a nice day.

pulling tricks like that will soon run a person out of a job, one thing they forget about is peoples will and relintsensy (sp). you can have every dollar in the world, but that doesnt give you the power, cause people will decide we dont need to use that money, and will barder and trade among themselfs, it happens ever few hundred years, the hour glass gets flip. granted there will be people so fucked they will be a casualty but thats how the world works
i dont know about yopu folks but if and when the shit goes down im heading either to idaho, montana or michigan 3 of the last puritian states left

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by WadeJordan pulling tricks like that will soon run a person out of a job, one thing they forget about is peoples will and relintsensy (sp).

But they can dupe enough people with bullshit and get them brainwashed into believing
that they are doing something right even if wrong and get them to turn on others to do their bidding .
My guess is thats what is going on with the "Man made Global warming" movement ....They are programming people everyday on tv and Magazines .They are assaulting the kids with it non stop soon
they will be so brainwashed by it that they will believe it has to be the only truth and if you don't believe it you're an enemy of them and the planet ....just a theory

[PeteFromPA]

Originally Posted by SPAZ But they can dupe enough people with bullshit and get them brainwashed into believing that they are doing something right even if wrong and get them to turn on others to do their bidding . My guess is thats what is going on with the "Man made Global warming" movement ....They are programming people everyday on tv and Magazines .They are assaulting the kids with it non stop soon they will be so brainwashed by it that they will believe it has to be the only truth and if you don't believe it you're an enemy of them and the planet ....just a theory

That's where I get off the boat with John Perkins. While I think we need to protect habitats like the rain forest, I separate when it comes to many of the "green" initiatives. Too many government folks are getting behind what will eventually become a carbon tax if we're not careful. And that makes it a bad thing.