View Full Version : Military Talk-Don't like it!!! Stay OUT!!!
milkman
06-13-2009, 03:43 PM
Waht up Hank????? Waht ya think????
Nice man, so when I get fuckerd and start getting off on old military tangents I have somewhere to go....lol
milkman
06-13-2009, 04:49 PM
Yepper!!! And have someone to talk about it with!!!
Can I ask you a serious question that you may not like????
All we need is some cheap whores and good beer and we're all set..
Should be easier to find the whores, you can pick 'em up like mexicans at home depot...lol
Yepper!!! And have someone to talk about it with!!!
Can I ask you a serious question that you may not like????
Uh oh...I hate this part. But, yeah go ahead.
milkman
06-13-2009, 04:51 PM
Were you on the mission with Pat when he died?
Were you on the mission with Pat when he died?
No but, I heard it on the radio when it happened and attended his send off in bagram afghanistan, I shead quite a few over that. I wasn't real close to him, but we did go to R.I.P together, been wearing his K.I.A braclet ever since.
And he was in 2nd batt. I was in 1st batt.
milkman
06-13-2009, 05:12 PM
Thanks!!!! The cover up was shit!!! Pissed me off royally!!!! But I don't think it should be on McChristal!!! If anything, he'll turn Afghan around!!!
Ah, this so called "war" drives me fuckin insane. It's turned into an occupation that needs to end. And FFUUUUUCCCCKKKK GEORGE BUSH, and if anyone thinks he was a great,good or even a decent president...FUUUUCCCKKK YOU TOO! I hate that fucking fuck shit bird....Can you say war crimes and violation of the geniva conventions...Ah I'm getting hot talking about that shit head.....
milkman
06-13-2009, 05:29 PM
Yeah, I understand that!!! But it wasn't just George!!! Had Clinton dealt with the fucks in the first place, maybe we wouldn't be there either!!!!
Going into Afghan was correct IMO. Taken our eye off the ball to go to Iraq for a personal venge cuz you can!!! Pathetic!!!
Nation building will not work!!! PERIOD!!
But it wasn't all Bush's fault!!! All the dems wanted blood as well!! So George surrounded himself with war hawks!!! Stupid fuckin war hawks IMO!!
We fight with a hand tied behind our back!!!! Not great!!!
Afghanistan...If you really believe osama is or has ever been there you are sadly mistaken. All I can say is Pakistan, iggy iggy. Not to mention that 14 out of the 17 or so high jackers were from saudi arabia.
But, yeah clinton should have done more, and bush tried to finish what his father started.
*I'm gonna move this over to the political deal btw* That is after I get back from my beer run...lol
milkman
06-13-2009, 05:39 PM
nah, this is mil talk!!!! Osama was there!!! Should have been takin out in 98 or so!!! Went to Pak after we went in.
The prob is, we went in, accomplished militarily what we needed to, and of course not follow up by State, Civil, etc..
Then blame it on the mil!!!! Mil job should be wipe it, clean it, leave it!!!!! IMO
Lol, I don't agree with the osama part but.....As ralphie may said..."We should just sugh knight that whole fuckin region. Turn it into a nice big 7-11, make it their training center and shit." That dude is hilarious....brb
milkman
06-13-2009, 06:03 PM
hmmmm, not sure why'd you think that!!! There have been many SOC folks that have said he was dead to rights, not only in Tora Bora, but before!!!!
They were told do not engage, we need an Afghan face on this!!! We see where that went!!! Still in it!!! IMO
Ok, ok so delta had him dead to right in afghanistan at one point. But, we paid a 1/4 of a million $ to get that point then the local/al quida turned on us,(go figure that would happen) then took the $ and ran. There was a delta operator that wrote a book about that, and was also on 60 mins.
"We fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight em over here." That is the biggest fuckin scam goin. It holds as much water as "misson accomplished." what a fuckin joke.
Ok, I'm moving it now i promise...lol
milkman
06-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Ok, ok so delta had him dead to right in afghanistan at one point. But, we paid a 1/4 of a million $ to get that point then the local/al quida turned on us,(go figure that would happen) then took the $ and ran. There was a delta operator that wrote a book about that, and was also on 60 mins.
"We fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight em over here." That is the biggest fuckin scam goin. It holds as much water as "misson accomplished." what a fuckin joke.
Also had him and Zwahiri in Kandahar!!! told STOP!!!! Put an Afghan face on it!!! By that time.....C ya!!!
""We fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight em over here." That is the biggest fuckin scam goin. It holds as much water as "misson accomplished." what a fuckin joke."
Agree 1000% percent!!! But in the mil, we don't have the power to make the decisions!!! Not even COS !!! Sad But True!!!!!
Always can go back to Tallica too!!!
milkman
06-13-2009, 06:27 PM
Ok, I see, move it out of gen into pol!! Gotcha...me bad!!!
It just seemed to be more approiate here, nothing personnal just made more sense to me to be here. I gave you fair warning I was doin it...lol
Yeah you don't have the luxury to think for urself in the mil. Maybe that's what I'm so hot over this bullshit cause I can finally express my opinion. And being apart of the "initial surge" I think I have the right to..Whew, ok I'm done bitchin..oh wait no I'm not....lol
milkman
06-13-2009, 06:42 PM
Yep, have more right than most!!! The move is cool!!!
I have a prob with the mil being blamed for op failures that are out of their control!!! Like don't op, til we say!!!
Were you in one of those units that went 11b, AB, then RGR and were one unit???
The cohesion system??
Like my sig says. I was part of the 1st Imperial Ranger battalion. And for the record Rangers, and delta rescued that super cunt jessica lynch. Seals were there as well, but the did nothing. B co 1/75 found the bodies of those excuted american prisoners, and dug them up by hand....but you didn't just read that.
milkman
06-13-2009, 06:52 PM
Uh rah!!! But in the SEALS defense, it is there job to not be known doin anything!!! Like Delta!! That's why they call the Rangers for the work!!! You!!! Right???
A lot of folks look at SF as premodonna's, but it ain't so!!!
I'm sure you know folks with both tabs!!!
SF for the most part are premadonnas, and from my accounts did/do a whole lot of nothin overseas. I've been to the very very few compounds they got there, and they're just holding a slot. And seals are a teir 2 unit just like the rangers, so their missons are K-5'd just as much. And they did jack shit and nothin on the J-lynch rescue. They roped in on the roof and pulled security. Delta, RGR's, and PJ's(Socom medics) pulled that sky cunt outta there. Seals did absolutely nothing.
milkman
06-13-2009, 07:05 PM
SEALS couldn't do anything!!! Op unavailable!!! Otherwise, they would have went in 2 days sooner!!!
It is the politics that fucks up the ops!!! not the folks doin em!!! But you know that already!!
At least in me research that is what I found!!!
So in ur time in were you only in one unit, start to finish?
I don't blame them at all they go/do what they are told. But, they were very very cocky, silent professionalism didn't apply to them which is mading to me.
And yeah I was B.I.B(born in battalion). If I wanted I could have spent my entire 20+ yr career in 1st Batt., thats just how we did things....
But, team 6 did camo over their PEQ-2's lens'. Which rendered them useless, and they had to be replaced...lol dipshits.
milkman
06-13-2009, 07:21 PM
But, team 6 did camo over their PEQ-2's lens'. Which rendered them useless, and they had to be replaced...lol dipshits.
Yeah...didn't understand that, cept they were told to and ignore is all I could think!!
Yeah but, you should have more fuckin sense that to do something that stupid. We had cherries that wouldn't even think of or ever do something that fuckin stupid....
Damn you for creating this thread, got me talkin mil. stories like an old man...lol
milkman
06-13-2009, 07:26 PM
I don't blame them at all they go/do what they are told. But, they were very very cocky, silent professionalism didn't apply to them which is mading to me.
And yeah I was B.I.B(born in battalion). If I wanted I could have spent my entire 20+ yr career in 1st Batt., thats just how we did things....
They started that about when I was gettin out!!! Cohesion!!! Knew a few that were in them units!! Mostly 11 Bs..but they also did 13's 16's as well!!
But you were Ranger, so even more tight sealed I'd say!!! Right??
What, 20 months at Benning as one unit?? just askin, that is what they wanted to go to in the early 90's!!
milkman
06-13-2009, 07:29 PM
Yeah but, you should have more fuckin sense that to do something that stupid. We had cherries that wouldn't even think of or ever do something that fuckin stupid....
Damn you for creating this thread, got me talkin mil. stories like an old man...lol
Well, at times you have to stand down, even when ya know you shouldn't!!
So they say they did that!! As a cover!!! I can't see it as actually happening!! Political cover I say!!!
No, we had to sign a 24 month minimum agreement. And a shit load of confidentiality agreements. We were a light infantry unit, which encompassed a wide array of MOS'.
Man, looking back on it, that seems to be a real political answer...lol Oh yeah, guess I've rehearsed that one a few times...heh
milkman
06-13-2009, 07:44 PM
No, we had to sign a 24 month minimum agreement. And a shit load of confidentiality agreements. We were a light infantry unit, which encompassed a wide array of MOS'.
Of course they did let other MOS's in, but I was referring to the cohesion system they did!!
Triple vol for Ranger!!! 11B, Airborne, Ranger as one unit!! Then they would send some for other MOS you if they needed. Isn't this how they kept doin it??
Before, if you weren't 11B, you couldn't even go to Ranger school!!
Lol, ranger school is a school...being in battalion is a lifestyle. They started making a big deal over that bullshit halfway through my stint there. Just cause you go to school that don't make u a ranger...As far as I'm concerend you can shove that tab up ur ass if u weren't in batt. A patch don't make a rgr, being in batt. will.
milkman
06-13-2009, 07:57 PM
Yeah, true...but what I meant was didn't you go to basic, then 11b, or maybe it was combined for 11b, then to Airborne, then to RIP all as one unit???
That was the standard templete. And the 11b MOS was pretty just an extension/ of basic training. But, I wasn't 11b but that was obvisiously the majority of the unit.
It took me almost a yr. to get there with all training included...
milkman
06-13-2009, 08:17 PM
hmmm, what MOS were ya?
35 E, they've changed it since, not sure what the hell it is now.
milkman
06-13-2009, 08:21 PM
hmmm, commo??? Most 3x were, at least when I was in!!!
I was in a commo section/platoon. But, I was S-4 if you want to get technical.
milkman
06-13-2009, 09:05 PM
I was in a como section/platoon. But, I was S-4 if you want to get technical.
But what is 35E? I was 31V, Tac comm tech!! S-4 was intel, so you were comsec?
Yeah I fixed comsec gear sight, nvg's all that shit, and manned the radio on jumps/missions. Si4 was where the ordinance boys where. I.E. mechanics and shit like that.
milkman
06-13-2009, 09:46 PM
That's what I did!! Although much older equip than you!! The KY series, Vincen, etc!!
The MI unit I was in last had all the shit!!!
Being attached to the LRSD plt was some shit!!! Never in a combat place though!!!
Where were u stationed and what unit were u with, when were you in, what branch did you say u were in again?
milkman
06-14-2009, 01:13 AM
I originally went into the CA National Guard!! 31V, Tactical Comm in 2/185th Armor. I was pretty much full time though as we had 4 companies all over SoCal, and all our shit was at NTC. And I was the only one for the Bn
83 Basic in Ft Leonard Wood AIT Ft Sill
After 4 years they were going to reduce my position to normal guard time. I went active and went to the 194th MP company in Heilbronn Germany!!! Yep...me in a cop company!!! lol
Applied for Airborne school, got me orders when I PCS'd Euro and went to Benning! in Aug 88!! Tried as hard as I could to get diverted to Bragg!! Sig Corp wouldn't let me.
Pin point assignment to 104th MI Bn, Ft Carson. Still don't know why they wouldn't
That was me last duty!!! That's all I got!!!
DFender
06-14-2009, 04:57 PM
Thanks for your service, guys. I appreciate it very much. Jus' sayin'.
milkman
06-14-2009, 06:12 PM
Thanks Deb, but IMO there are a lot more deserving than meself!! So I try to help em out through VFW, DAV and other places!!!
Mugsy
06-14-2009, 11:09 PM
Hey, Hank. I'm sorry i don't know much about the army except ranks; but anywho. I was in a mcd's today and 4 kids came in, and two were women, and all 4 of them were sportin airborne patches on their uniforms. I didn't know they were letting females into that stuff. Just wondering. I got out in 91, and females weren't allowed in any combat positions at that time, have things changed?
It's cool, I know absolutely nothing about the navy so....
Well, airborne "patches" mean relatively nothing in regards to being airborne "qualified." The army has "airborne units" but not all Battalions are actually considered as an airborne unit. But, they fall under that Regamential airborne unbrella(not sure if that makes any sense or not). Take the 18th airborne corp for instance which encompass' a ton of regiments not sure of all of 'em.
If you look right above thier left chest pocket they should have "airborne wings," basically a pin that is a chute with wings on either side of it. Not all airborne units are "combat units."
No, things haven't changed in regards to female holdin combat MOS' they're still not allowed to hold those positions(and never should IMO). Man, I'm long winded but I can't help it. Are things as clear as mud now?
Mugsy
06-16-2009, 11:31 PM
Thanks, Hank. Those chicks didn't look like they could do a jump, let alone qualify for airborne. But you explained it. Thanks.
milkman
06-16-2009, 11:49 PM
Thanks, Hank. Those chicks didn't look like they could do a jump, let alone qualify for airborne. But you explained it. Thanks.
Just saw this as I was leaving. Hank is correct, women still can't be in combat MOS, but they have been Airborne and in active Airborne units for many years. When I was there in 88, there were comparable size female classes. Just segregated training.
In fact, they can be in some combat arms units, just not combat arms MOS.
Like Hank said, if they have wings on their chest, they are in fact Airborne qualified!! Otherwise can't wear them!!!
And they are a bunch of leg fuckers if they aint got 'em say it!!! My ex-girlfriend used to be in a div of the 82nd(aka the 80 douche). Those fuckers will jump for no fuckin reason what so ever. Case in point: My ex got orders to go to afghanistan was there for maybe a week. 80 douche scheduled a training jump. Who the fuck schedules a traing jump in a combat zone?...80 douche that's who.
She jumped, good exit no tie ups in her lines, full open canopy. When she went to landed(giving it's afghanistan and is most all mountains). She hit the side of one, and a big ass rock none the less. Ended up with a compound fracture in her thigh, and broke her tibia/fibia in her shin and a fracture in her pelvis. Ended up in walter reed for a yr. or more. She had pins all the way down her legs, then got med boarded shortly there after. Now, they send her $125 a month after all that....That's fuckin bullshit.
Thanks, Hank. Those chicks didn't look like they could do a jump, let alone qualify for airborne. But you explained it. Thanks.
You're welcome brother....no worries mate, I could talk this shit all day. But, some times I gotta stop, before I get goin too much.
milkman
06-17-2009, 04:14 PM
One of my NCO's was in 82 nd for years He'd tell me about how they would load em up, fly for several hours with no clue of where they were going, then jump right back at Bragg!!!
Def sounds like ur ex got the big green schween with no Vaseline!! That sucks, but that's the gov for you. It always sucked when they'd do shit like that. You're are to fucked up so we are discharging, but nothing is really wrong with you so so don't qualify for shit!!!
Mugsy
06-24-2009, 06:36 PM
Don't you love how some jerkoff decides he doesn't want to serve anymore and chooses desertion instead of not reuping. Then does a media blitz to try and soften the consequences of his poor decisions. Just get your honorable discharge and shut the fuck up. Sorry, after hearing the piece on Bubba i just had to vent a little.
Sorta how nancy palowcy(how ever the fuck u spell her name) got to be the speaker of the house? She is such a piece of shit. Her son dies in Iraq which is awful. But, she took the insurance money and used it to put her self over and start a political carerr of her own.
She collected the money, started her own fuckin deal, and it was months before she even visted her son's grave. Aside from Bush, Chaney and a few select others. She is the biggest piece of fuckin shit goin.
Deserters should be publically disembowled....they are the lowest form of shit/scum that exsists. Serve ur time, shut the fuck up, and deal with it...that's just my take. A little harsh I know, but some of us have done our time, and for others to not fulfill their obligations is just fucking absurd.
Sry, now I'm done venting...
milkman
07-03-2009, 10:49 AM
Man I sure feel for that soldier that got captured in Afghan. We know for sure he isn't gonna be givin any humane treatment. Nothing but torture and eventual mutilation. Of course all the bleeding hearts here won't rise to his cause. Fuckin bastards!!
Wheres the fuckin ACLU pleading for his humane treatment??? Never fuckin happen!!
DFender
07-03-2009, 11:10 AM
Man I sure feel for that soldier that got captured in Afghan. We know for sure he isn't gonna be givin any humane treatment. Nothing but torture and eventual mutilation. Of course all the bleeding hearts here won't rise to his cause. Fuckin bastards!!
Wheres the fuckin ACLU pleading for his humane treatment??? Never fuckin happen!!
Agreed. And it's so fuckin' sad.
Pretty much sums it up. I've seen that same patch on a pilot's helmet, which makes it that much funnier for me.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9294/standardbrief.jpg
just curious as to what those who served in the military
thought about nazi pellosi berating our commanders on the ground recently
over wanting more troops to do the job.
my opinion is that she is a cunt .
and when will this whole administration get to take heat the last one did over these wars .
cause he said he would end one and win the other so far he didn't do the first and is pissing away the other . imo
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.