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NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 12:40 PM
IDK my minds in a pretzel right now
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:43 PM
I have to say I'm surprised that they somehow worked it out to have ownership of the Sirius shows.
The Butler
09-29-2011, 12:44 PM
I have to say I'm surprised that they somehow worked it out to have ownership of the Sirius shows.
Bubba owned his shows long before Howard thought of owning his.
I have to say I'm surprised that they somehow worked it out to have ownership of the Sirius shows.
He's smart to write that into his contract.
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:44 PM
What? They are going to give all the shows away on B1 for free now? Well fuck me!
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:45 PM
I'm completely confused...why would I pay for a subscription just to hear old bits and shows?
The Butler
09-29-2011, 12:45 PM
What? They are going to give all the shows away on B1 for free now? Well fuck me!
So we are paying just to have access to d/l the show?
iobane
09-29-2011, 12:45 PM
So that's how they're securing their streams.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 12:46 PM
so the 1.lieutenents pay 2.99 more a month and get same as sargent gets
2.we pay to download archives? where i could use my app i use for fm show to download all shows for free.
stumpy
09-29-2011, 12:46 PM
Holy shit - several months into this and they're giving it away
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:46 PM
Just being to download the archives and bits is not going to bring in subs IMO! In fact will do the opposite and encourage people to cancel!
stumpy
09-29-2011, 12:46 PM
All I know is I'd be PISSED if I dropped $300 for this
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I am kind of pissed! Fuck the 100 shares of IO stock!
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 12:47 PM
i dont really bitch much but this is really annoying and bullshit in my opinion.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:48 PM
they've got to be fucking kidding...I just signed up...how can they give the show away for free? what's the point of anyone subscribing. I understand paying for it - I don't get giving it away for free.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 12:48 PM
damn someone call in and not agree with this.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:48 PM
what's the number?
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:49 PM
888 69-Bubba
stumpy
09-29-2011, 12:49 PM
I can appreciate that they want to spread the show but they sold the 3 year subs under the pretense that it would be exclusive. That's fucked up.
stumpy
09-29-2011, 12:50 PM
Keeping things in perspective, he also said the K5 would be the last physical CD ever and then released the Stimulus and Wonka so there's a pattern here boys.
I can assume they want to court advertisers with this move, but it's going to be hard with this content.
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:50 PM
Well traffic doesn't add subs and income, maybe add $$!
iobane
09-29-2011, 12:50 PM
How much weed did he have to smoke to make this a good idea.
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 12:51 PM
So wait a second. The uncensored show is now going to be free?
Who didn't think the downloads would be popular? If you don't have them these days you get left behind.
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:52 PM
You got it PA!! :mad:
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:52 PM
Okay...I get it they're pursuing advertisers. They must assume that higher hits will welcome more advertising. I'm also guessing the stream only will be available for free? So you pay to get the downloaded show for free, the on demand, the old bits, the catalog, etc?
iobane
09-29-2011, 12:53 PM
Look at it this way: they don't have to secure the streams.
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 12:53 PM
What the fuck? So now we get more commercials during our uncensored show and less content?
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 12:53 PM
What the fuck?
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:53 PM
this is overall not going to be received well. Glad that I wasn't an early enlister.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:54 PM
who's this dude talking?
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:54 PM
Carl Harris!
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 12:54 PM
i would rather keep my $1.99 app and download shows myself and get my $300 back.I realize some poeple can get it free somehow but i tryed to support the show the right way now im pissed the fuck off.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 12:54 PM
I'm guessing this is in order to get in line with slacker, iheartradio, etc. I DO like and frequently use the download feature, but damn....300 bucks? PS, fuck blind lawrence. Shut the fu fu fu fuf ufufufuf fuck up
stumpy
09-29-2011, 12:55 PM
bahahaha yeah this is a total spin job. wow
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:55 PM
Really, I'll take my $300 back and not have access to the d/l and bits! I don't use it much at all!
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:55 PM
hoo boy...
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 12:56 PM
Oh please no. No Danny Bonadouche.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 12:56 PM
Oh well, at least Burke is on full time. It's a great show, they're hungry to do a great job and it shows
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:56 PM
phone line's blowed up
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:56 PM
der der der
milkman
09-29-2011, 12:57 PM
I need to go have a smoke to calm down! :jj:
Oh please no. No Danny Bonadouche.
A million times this.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:57 PM
I like Lawrence a lot, he's a nice kid, but he's not good on the radio.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:57 PM
when Bonaduce was on in Chicago I dug his show. Admittedly that was 20 years ago.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 12:57 PM
Oh yeah, hi guys!
As you know, I defend most anything....I try to see both sides of things.
That said, I feel pretty slighted by this.
I like Lawrence a lot, he's a nice kid, but he's not good on the radio.
He's getting a lot better.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 12:58 PM
when Bonaduce was on in Chicago I dug his show. Admittedly that was 20 years ago.
That, and you're a fag.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:58 PM
understandable slidejob - I just signed up, wrote this big article including BTLS and this is very sudden
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 12:58 PM
That, and you're a fag.
hahaha
stumpy
09-29-2011, 12:58 PM
Oh yeah, hi guys!
As you know, I defend most anything....I try to see both sides of things.
That said, I feel pretty slighted by this.
As you should.
Oh yeah, hi guys!
As you know, I defend most anything....I try to see both sides of things.
That said, I feel pretty slighted by this.
I'm not breathing fire from rage, but I think this is a pretty fucking stupid idea.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 12:59 PM
Hi Stumpy! Hi Chob!
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:00 PM
I'm not breathing fire from rage, but I think this is a pretty fucking stupid idea.
I just don't see how the average hardcore fan, the ones who support every move.....aren't going to feel like they got fucked.
This move is about stock value, and competing with slacker, iheart, etc.
It seems like a very obvious lampshading of the fact they don't want to get a better streaming platform.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:00 PM
I thought they were going to include the FM show - just last week they said that, right?
The Butler
09-29-2011, 01:00 PM
Spice sounds like Spin Sabean. Answer his question.
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:00 PM
Hi Stumpy! Hi Chob!
Hey buddy.
I understand the move mind you, it's the spin that gets me. And then they insult you with the "haters gonna hate" shit.:munch:
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:01 PM
Blind James again?
I just don't see how the average hardcore fan, the ones who support every move.....aren't going to feel like they got fucked.
This move is about stock value, and competing with slacker, iheart, etc.
It's funny, Mugsy kept going on about the fact that he thought the current business model wasn't going to work to compete with podcasts and other free content. Maybe they thought the same thing.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:01 PM
I'll drop my sub.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:02 PM
Yup, agreed stumpy.
You guys got to listen to Burke yet? What's your thoughts? Really liking the show...
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 01:03 PM
Yup, agreed stumpy.
You guys got to listen to Burke yet? What's your thoughts? Really liking the show...
I like it.
Yup, agreed stumpy.
You guys got to listen to Burke yet? What's your thoughts? Really liking the show...
Burke is cool. I think he'll get very popular.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:03 PM
if they wouldn't hash this shit out on air maybe it wouldn't be as fucked up?
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:04 PM
Yup, agreed stumpy.
You guys got to listen to Burke yet? What's your thoughts? Really liking the show...
I don't listen really. I only listen to the IO uncensored show. I have an affinity for hearing the word "fuck" on the radio. :D
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:04 PM
I have little to no problems with dropping signal since I went to skyfire on iphone.....droid streaming was awful.
Now of course, it will probably SUCK on everything since 10,000,000 people will be on at once.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:05 PM
so that's it - the Michaels/other guy joining the crew is most likely why this happened.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:06 PM
that better include free shows in major regions of the country...
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:06 PM
I don't listen really. I only listen to the IO uncensored show. I have an affinity for hearing the word "fuck" on the radio. :D
It's actually pretty good. Loved hearing updates on the dudes crazy wife.....he'd have to hide his car a mile away at work, and she would still manage to find it and let the air out of his tires on a daily basis.
I have little to no problems with dropping signal since I went to skyfire on iphone.....droid streaming was awful.
Now of course, it will probably SUCK on everything since 10,000,000 people will be on at once.
Excellent point. Before people savvy enough to listen for free were on, now everyone will be on.
And what Spice is saying about continually giving the Early Enlisters things, they fucking better or they are going to catch a ton of shit. :lol:
I wish SJ was here, he thinks everything should be free so he'll be thrilled. :mrgreen:
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:07 PM
Hey, now we know how the guys who paid $400 for the wonka feel!
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:08 PM
LOL the parade of marks calling in to spin it too haha
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:09 PM
Look, I like the guys, I want to help support the show, but for Scout/Big Gulp to call in as if that's a bonus to the subscribers, is stupid.
Rock & Roll Ghost
09-29-2011, 01:09 PM
alright...I'm out...gonna take a nap. woo-hoo
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:09 PM
It seems like a very obvious lampshading of the fact they don't want to get a better streaming platform.
That is what I was thinking. They figured out there is no way to secure their shitty freeware and would cost more to start all over than it would be to do this.
But I also feel slighted, this was not what was sold to us, the exclusivity of the show was what was sold.
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 01:09 PM
If I didn't actually listen to the other IO stations as well, I would drop the sub.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:10 PM
L8R RnR!
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:11 PM
That is what I was thinking. They figured out there is no way to secure their shitty freeware and would cost more to start all over than it would be to do this.
But I also feel slighted, this was not what was sold to us, the exclusivity of the show was what was sold.
THIS NAILS IT.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:11 PM
Now I want that goddamned handjob.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:11 PM
I guess a positive way to look at this is - it will help with the health of the company, and long term outlook for the show. Still stings....
That is what I was thinking. They figured out there is no way to secure their shitty freeware and would cost more to start all over than it would be to do this.
But I also feel slighted, this was not what was sold to us, the exclusivity of the show was what was sold.
Exactly my point.
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:12 PM
"put your butthurt exclusivity aside"
Dude, that is why people signed up. Just sayin'
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:12 PM
It's a pretty good troll aim the stream thievery.
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 01:12 PM
I guess a positive way to look at this is - it will help with the health of the company, and long term outlook for the show. Still stings....
The lone bright spot. Perhaps we will get more callers that aren't called Blind James or Benny.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:12 PM
What is this fuck talking about? So I should feel honored I helped them get this launched by doing EE so that they are now able to give it away to freeloaders?
Makes no sense to me!
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:13 PM
"put your butthurt exclusivity aside"
Dude, that is why people signed up. Just sayin'
And that kind of arrogance and downtalk after someone feels fucked is a huge problem.
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:14 PM
And that kind of arrogance and downtalk after someone feels fucked is a huge problem.
It's the "in some capacity" shit coming around again. I'm waiting for the "listen to another show or just cancel your sub" :grin:
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:15 PM
And that kind of arrogance and downtalk after someone feels fucked is a huge problem.
No doubt, not the greatest customer service statement. I can also hear it now when the IO stream quits like it always does. Bubba-"what the fuck are you bitching about, it's free" :rolleyes:
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:15 PM
What is this fuck talking about? So I should feel honored I helped them get this launched by doing EE so that they are now able to give it away to freeloaders?
Makes no sense to me!
I'm somewhat fine with that logic with the knowledge that we will get more later on.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:16 PM
And of course now all the sucks up will call, shut the fuck up Cleavage!!
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:17 PM
I'm sure Stiefel Janowski is trying to moderate the spin control press conference on twitter.
Doosh
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:18 PM
I'm sure Stiefel Janowski is trying to moderate the spin control press conference on twitter.
Doosh
LOLOLOL, I should have gone to the Penthouse Club last night for the Stiefelâ„¢ meet and greet.
http://www.kingbubba.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2027
Did I miss anything?
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:19 PM
LOLOLOL, I should have gone to the Penthouse Club last night for the Stiefelâ„¢ meet and greet.
Are you fucking serious?
Also, like I said to SJ, while the bit archive is a convenient feature, there's no reason it shouldn't be an obligatory feature when you can already download the back catalog shows with those bits in them.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:20 PM
So all of us could have just split an EE and shared the dl's! Which is what a lot of people are going to do. This will not generate many subs IMO, so they better hope that add dollars pays off, or they are done IMO!
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 01:20 PM
http://www.kingbubba.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2027
Did I miss anything?
:bigclap:
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:20 PM
Milk, I look at it like this: we have a greater pool of people to make fun of when they call in.
stumpy
09-29-2011, 01:21 PM
Are you fucking serious?
Meh.. something like that.
"it's $300, not $3,000" is the worst logic. :rolleyes:
Milk, I look at it like this: we have a greater pool of people to make fun of when they call in.
:haha:
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 01:22 PM
give me 1000 shares not 100 its only like .01 a share
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 01:22 PM
Meh.. something like that.
"it's $300, not $3,000" is the worst logic. :rolleyes:
How many people put that $300 on a charge card and are making the minimum payment per month simply because they enjoy the show? For some, $300 might as well be $3,000.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:23 PM
http://www.kingbubba.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2027
Did I miss anything?
B2 will be a FREE West Coast feed!
B2 will be a FREE West Coast feed!
Was the fact B2 is free expressly stated?
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:24 PM
The best analogy for this is that spice has a dog and an idea. And that idea may or may not want to sodomize that dog. We don't know if it will or not, but a lot of the realists seem to think it will.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:24 PM
I will say, if you live anywhere near ocala, the three years three admission for EE's is worth quite a bit. Hoping to use mine in late winter/spring if I visit the area as kinda planned.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:24 PM
Milk, I look at it like this: we have a greater pool of people to make fun of when they call in.
And more chronic callers to be born! :eek:
:jj:
The Butler
09-29-2011, 01:25 PM
And more chronic callers to be born! :eek:
:jj:
"Bobo, you on the air."
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:27 PM
I will say, if you live anywhere near ocala, the three years three admission for EE's is worth quite a bit. Hoping to use mine in late winter/spring if I visit the area as kinda planned.
If you like dirt track racing! I may go check it out sometime!
"Bobo, you on the air."
:jj: Way to bring the party down. :mrgreen:
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 01:29 PM
Who does the recaps?
"on today's show we stuck inflatable dildos up our staffs asses!"
"on todays debriiefing we stuck cactus' up our subscribers asses!"
Tune in next week for sodomy thursday, part two....
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:29 PM
Just think how many benny's are out there that can't afford a sub right now.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:29 PM
:haha: @ both above posts
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:31 PM
It's quite possible this decision is the equivalent of shooting a mosquito on their toes with a shotgun.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:33 PM
Good analogy IO!
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:34 PM
I thought my screwed the pooch analogy was better. You missed my comedy show last night on skype. SJ came on to me.
legmanct
09-29-2011, 01:34 PM
I can appreciate that they want to spread the show but they sold the 3 year subs under the pretense that it would be exclusive. That's fucked up.
Just get a few EE's together and file a class action lawsuit.
This would be one they would win easily.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:35 PM
Make sure to file in hillsborough.
Just think how many benny's are out there that can't afford a sub right now.
Well if you put it that way, it'll be worth it just to see milk lose his shit. :rofl:
On a serious note though, I'm warming up to it as a business plan. I do think they need to currently worry about doing damage control with Early Enlisters and yearly subs. That caller had a good idea about Bubba Raw. Give those people that made the leap of good faith a token of goodwill.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Make sure to file in hillsborough.
Wouldn't even need evidence!! :lol:
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:37 PM
Well if you put it that way, it'll be worth it just to see milk lose his shit. :rofl:
On a serious note though, I'm warming up to it as a business plan. I do think they need to currently worry about doing damage control with Early Enlisters and yearly subs. That caller had a good idea about Bubba Raw. Give those people that made the leap of good faith a token of goodwill.
And what about those of us that already have Raw as well?
And what about those of us that already have Raw as well?
I dunno...cancel your pay sub I guess.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:39 PM
Milk let me try to ease it for you.
A lot of subscription based games have gone free to play. Meaning you aren't charged anything to play it. The 2nd largest online game in the world is free to play now and the company that runs it has semi annual tournaments for 5 million dollars top prize. It is a pretty successful business paradigm and it may work here.
They make money by selling extra content or premium content and that's how they fund this shit.
legmanct
09-29-2011, 01:39 PM
How many people put that $300 on a charge card and are making the minimum payment per month simply because they enjoy the show? For some, $300 might as well be $3,000.
If you paid by credit card you can call up your credit card company and dispute the charges since your not getting the exclusive service as promised.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:40 PM
Well, we all know now what will be every other sentence for the FM show now. Don't forget to listen to the free IO show after this! :lol:
Milk let me try to ease it for you.
A lot of subscription based games have gone free to play. Meaning you aren't charged anything to play it. The 2nd largest online game in the world is free to play now and the company that runs it has semi annual tournaments for 5 million dollars top prize. It is a pretty successful business paradigm and it may work here.
They make money by selling extra content or premium content and that's how they fund this shit.
That's actually a pretty damn good analogy. DC Universe Online is going free to play and they're doing the premium content thing.
And I can't believe we just compared MMO's to Bubba's show. :jj:
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Well league of legends isn't an mmo. Facebook games are just as successful and they have the same model.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Milk let me try to ease it for you.
A lot of subscription based games have gone free to play. Meaning you aren't charged anything to play it. The 2nd largest online game in the world is free to play now and the company that runs it has semi annual tournaments for 5 million dollars top prize. It is a pretty successful business paradigm and it may work here.
They make money by selling extra content or premium content and that's how they fund this shit.
I understand what they are saying but I think it is more they can't secure the stream so this was a cheaper way to solve it.
And to me being able to download content that is available free at first is not premium content IMO. Most people can or will be able to do that for free anyhow by recording the shows themselves.
So what premium additional content do we get?
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 01:45 PM
I understand what they are saying but I think it is more they can't secure the stream so this was a cheaper way to solve it.
And to me being able to download content that is available free at first is not premium content IMO. Most people can or will be able to do that for free anyhow by recording the shows themselves.
So what premium additional content do we get?
yup i do it to the fm show and app cost me $1.99.It does not record sometimes but it works 99% of the time.
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:46 PM
My main concern is if this ploy doesn't work to create enough income based on ad sales, or subs, or whatever this will not do anything for the stock, which will eventually sink the company!
If this does create income to where the stock does well, then it will be worthwhile. Time will tell!
PACanesfan
09-29-2011, 01:48 PM
My main concern is if this ploy doesn't work to create enough income based on ad sales, or subs, or whatever this will not do anything for the stock, which will eventually sink the company!
If this does create income to where the stock does well, then it will be worthwhile. Time will tell!
They need real advertisers. Not these dick and boob enhancement companies or porn sites.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:49 PM
I understand what they are saying but I think it is more they can't secure the stream so this was a cheaper way to solve it.
So what premium additional content do we get?
That's the part that made me laugh. You and I both know that this was the biggest reason for them doing this. That was the first thing I thought when they announced it. And my first instinct was that it was the best way to give the stream steamers the middle finger.
Before those people weren't a factor in radioio's sales pitch to advertisers. Now, they are. Granted were going to get more ads on shows but that's to be expected even before this announcement.
I'm willing to bite the 300 dollar bullet and wait to see how this pays off. I'm very patient and measured. I have faith that my money will be put to good use.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:50 PM
Also our premium content is wait and see.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 01:51 PM
If you knew this and you could use an app that records all fm,io,specialty shows for free and save $300 would you have bought sub?
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:51 PM
Nah,
milkman
09-29-2011, 01:53 PM
Welp, time to bail out of work!! :woot: Cath ya's on the flip side!
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 01:55 PM
Oh well Maybe they will change it back to way it was when people explain feelings we talking about not the ass kissers on the air today.
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:56 PM
Fuck Wendy's new burgers are addicting.
Well, there will be that show with Spice and Bean. Maybe we should make a list of questions and try to get someone to call in and squeeze out an many answers as possible.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 01:57 PM
Fuck Wendy's new burgers are addicting.
some reason i just cant get into wendys
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 01:58 PM
Well, there will be that show with Spice and Bean. Maybe we should make a list of questions and try to get someone to call in and squeeze out an many answers as possible.
yeah but do you remember the show with who was it tim sabean answering bubba show questions?
Fuck Wendy's new burgers are addicting.
I've been getting a Five Guys burger almost every week recently. Good thing I'm also exercising more. :jj:
iobane
09-29-2011, 01:58 PM
Well, there will be that show with Spice and Bean. Maybe we should make a list of questions and try to get someone to call in and squeeze out an many answers as possible.
Said questions should be posted in that recap thread of yours.
From the perspective of the $10 subs, that's actually a pretty standard price for monthly show downloads from other hosts. I know that's what Kidd Chris was charging for a while. And I always thought that was a bit steep for just the stream.
What they should do is work on getting custom playlists/channels for paying subs.
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:04 PM
Give it time, and come up with suggestions.
Said questions should be posted in that recap thread of yours.
Good idea.
Also, Bubba and radioIO should sell virtual hats. Works for Team Fortress 2. :jj:
stumpy
09-29-2011, 02:06 PM
This is about the early enlisters really. They dropped $300 and won't be getting it back. They paid for exclusivity - that's what was sold to them.
The monthly people, just stop paying. Same thing is happening with my Apple MobileMe sub. They're making it free for everyone in a month or so. That means I won't get billed anymore either. That $300 is a sunk cost.
This is about the early enlisters really. They dropped $300 and won't be getting it back. They paid for exclusivity - that's what was sold to them.
The monthly people, just stop paying. Same thing is happening with my Apple MobileMe sub. They're making it free for everyone in a month or so. That means I won't get billed anymore either. That $300 is a sunk cost.
I totaly agree with you, EE's and yearly subs should get something in return for being early adopters. Yearly subs were somewhat ignored in those discussions today. It would be a good thing to bring up.
The meet and greet part of the Early Enlistment is something that will only serve a small portion of those 2,800+ people.
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:09 PM
And Spice said they will be doing more for us EEs in the future. You can't get your money back without a lot of effort so eat the bullet and wait to see what happens.
And Spice said they will be doing more for us EEs in the future. You can't get your money back without a lot of effort so eat the bullet and wait to see what happens.
I have confidence they CAN make it right. Whether they actually WILL, time will tell.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:10 PM
if we just get out our feelings across in a nice way not like that hanky would.Maybe we got a chance to change there mind. If not hey "its only $300 not like its $3000" hahahaha
if we just get out our feelings across in a nice way not like that hanky would.Maybe we got a chance to change there mind. If not hey "its only $300 not like its $3000" hahahaha
No one is going to change their minds on this.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:12 PM
No one is going to change their minds on this.
yeah but it makes me feel better to pretend they might:smug: oh well
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:12 PM
I was promised a hand job.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:14 PM
I was promised a hand job.
ill take a lap dance from tasha lol that would make things right
If they do two years of free Bubba Raw for each EE, that comes out to $240, almost the cost of the EE. Would be a good "thank you." Of course they would lose a few paying subs, but it would help them PR wise.
One good thing though is that guys like Burke, Legere, and the Diacos all get the exposure they deserve.
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:21 PM
I got 6 months before I'll bitch about this.
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:21 PM
I mean look at it this way, now SJ can cancel his sub and buy better Internet.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:22 PM
I mean look at it this way, now SJ can cancel his sub and buy better Internet.
:haha:
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:25 PM
Well now that's a game changer.
Well now that's a game changer.
See the problem is there's no good reasonably priced broadband in his area.
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:28 PM
Well when you live in a third world country.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:29 PM
I do wonder something though.You know how we got EE now after the 3yr we get demoted? because when we got the handjob trade for a free month after our EE deal would mean we go to a monthly deal.
Right now I'd imagine his medical bills are more of concern. I doubt that Canadian healthcare is taking care of the whole thing. :jj: But I could be wrong.
I still hope someone calls them out for not being able to secure their streams and that being a major motivator for this.
iobane
09-29-2011, 02:33 PM
I ain't ribbing anyone about their income, unless their name is Joe and the have a hogan tattoo on their back. Especially considering I make jack shut compared to what I'm worth in the private sector.
Something Bubba should seriously consider is calling into Howard, shooting the shit with him, and plugging this new deal. I think Stern would do him that favor.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:38 PM
Something Bubba should seriously consider is calling into Howard, shooting the shit with him, and plugging this new deal. I think Stern would do him that favor.
i really thought he wouldve tryed to get on by now and catch up and plug IO
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 02:39 PM
Hey guys, I've been back reading all of the posts regarding the "breaking news" Spice dropped on all of us today. I'm going to be completely honest here. I am an EE and I feel like I got got. Bubba and the crew got on the air and really pimped being an EE for IO hard. Basically promising us the world. I bought in knowing there would be stock, exclusive content and other stuff that was still "to be determined"... Now I get the news that everything I paid for is now free. I listen from 6-1:30 everyday and there are only a few "specialty" shows I listen to (mainly the Diacos) I have also never downloaded anything and probably never will. Then Spice takes the "management spin doctor" approach and tells us "butthurt" EE's basically to suck it up and of course every fucking asskissing mark calls in to suck up and say this is a great thing. I am not a half-glass empty kind of guy, I like to think of myself as more of a "realist" and I honestly do not see this as a good thing.
i really thought he wouldve tryed to get on by now and catch up and plug IO
Last time it was the whole divorce thing and Bubba was so flustered that he forgot.
Howard I could see letting him on and letting him plug the service as a passive aggressive shot at Sirius XM.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:42 PM
Last time it was the whole divorce thing and Bubba was so flustered that he forgot.
Howard I could see letting him on and letting him plug the service as a passive aggressive shot at Sirius XM.
yeah i doubt there would be any issue with bubba pluggin.Plus they are always good together.So would make for a interesting interview/Update
milkman
09-29-2011, 02:43 PM
I've been getting a Five Guys burger almost every week recently. Good thing I'm also exercising more. :jj:
Ur gonna go broke eatin at that place!! :jj:
yeah i doubt there would be any issue with bubba pluggin.Plus they are always good together.So would make for a interesting interview/Update
All those people that "miss" Bubba now have no excuse. Getting that news out via Stern's show would instantly have a large chunk of people at least checking out the service for a bit.
For all that's been said about Stern's declining audience, it's still some of the best exposure you could get.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:47 PM
All those people that "miss" Bubba now have no excuse. Getting that news out via Stern's show would instantly have a large chunk of people at least checking out the service for a bit.
For all that's been said about Stern's declining audience, it's still some of the best exposure you could get.
It could only help. nothing to lose but a plane ticket and hotel.
It could only help. nothing to lose but a plane ticket and hotel.
I meant a call in, not a studio appearance.
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:49 PM
I meant a call in, not a studio appearance.
oh haha yeah either or
NY_FTE
09-29-2011, 02:52 PM
well gotta do some runnin around so i can try make it back for diaco show.Talk 2 yas later :wave2:
milkman
09-29-2011, 02:52 PM
L8R NY!
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 02:52 PM
So is it safe to say that Tuddle, Dball & Augie were not the only ones who got butt raped today? :fuckme:
well gotta do some runnin around so i can try make it back for diaco show.Talk 2 yas later :wave2:
See ya. :denzil:
milkman
09-29-2011, 02:53 PM
So is it safe to say that Tuddle, Dball & Augie were not the only ones who got butt raped today? :fuckme:
Bend over EE's time for a butt rapin!! :lol:
How much do you want to bet io fucks up the whole transition process on Monday?
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 02:59 PM
How much do you want to bet io fucks up the whole transition process on Monday?
I'll take the over on that one :lol:
milkman
09-29-2011, 02:59 PM
How much do you want to bet io fucks up the whole transition process on Monday?
Do I get 30 pts?? :lol:
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:01 PM
WTF, watching on Fox news this youth football league has made a rule banning a kid from scoring to many TD's. If he scores so many he can't score again or it won't count. Sumthin like that, just watchin, not listening.
Flipping over to Burke now. I wonder if he'll actually say anything about this today.
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:03 PM
WTF, watching on Fox news this youth football league has made a rule banning a kid from scoring to many TD's. If he scores so many he can't score again or it won't count. Sumthin like that, just watchin, not listening.
More pussification. I told my kids at soccer practice last night "an eighth place trophy is bullshizz" My 8 year old's team doesn't even keep score and I was like WTF???
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:07 PM
More pussification. I told my kids at soccer practice last night "an eighth place trophy is bullshizz" My 8 year old's team doesn't even keep score and I was like WTF???
Well no offense, but soccer is pussification anyhow! My youngest son played once..and it was a mixed league. My ex wanted him to play and I was being made out as the bad unsupporting dad cuz I said it was pussy and he should be playing football. He ended up hating it and played football the next few yrs.
But it was the same, no score kept everyone's a winner bullshit! Fuck that..what is the fucking point? That doesn't teach any life lessons other than quitters and losers can win! Shit gets me sick!
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:07 PM
I gotta tell ya, the ONLY thing that can make this right is for RadioIO to offer a pro-rated refund to ANYONE who paid in advance for the right to access the formerly exclusive content on Bubba Two. Anything else is unacceptable to me.
What a bunch of bullshit. You DO realize, too, that the shows are going to be terrestrial-like in regards to the amount of commercials they're going to plug in over time?
I am extremely disappointed by this.
Burke making an "announcement."
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:09 PM
I just took 300 pumps. This is bullshit!!
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:09 PM
Burke making an "announcement."
URL?
You DO realize, too, that the shows are going to be terrestrial-like in regards to the amount of commercials they're going to plug in over time?
That's hearsay at this point. But you have every right to get pissed and I hope they make this right for people or they're going to lose a lot of people's support.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:12 PM
That's hearsay at this point. But you have every right to get pissed and I hope they make this right for people or they're going to lose a lot of people's support.
It's my opinion.
PRO-RATED REFUND for everyone who paid in advance who wants one. That is the ONLY way to make this right.
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:13 PM
I gotta tell ya, the ONLY thing that can make this right is for RadioIO to offer a pro-rated refund to ANYONE who paid in advance for the right to access the formerly exclusive content on Bubba Two. Anything else is unacceptable to me.
What a bunch of bullshit. You DO realize, too, that the shows are going to be terrestrial-like in regards to the amount of commercials they're going to plug in over time?
I am extremely disappointed by this.
Eggzactly! With the monthly melisha's they can just cancel, no bubbles no troubles, they got what they paid for. But barely 6 months in to a 3 yr deal is hardly what I signed up for.
Oh well, it is what it is I guess. I just hope it doesn't end up with more issues, like lawsuits, etc, though not sure on what grounds as we are still getting the content we paid for, but now so is everyone else..for FREE!
But I am more concerned on how this will affect the IO stock, as that is a bigger loss for me so far than the $300.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:14 PM
I wrote the show. Fuck it. I may have to start siding with Lebron now.
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PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:15 PM
They turned what could have been a REAL POSITIVE into a REAL NEGATIVE.
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:15 PM
That's hearsay at this point. But you have every right to get pissed and I hope they make this right for people or they're going to lose a lot of people's support.
I think it is more than hearsay Chob. They are going to have to generate a lot of ad dollars to pay for this, subs aren't going to do it. in fact, I'm betting they lose a lot of monthly subs because a lot of people couldn't care less about dl's. The only thing I've ever listened to in the archives is old Sirius shows I never heard. I'm not one to like to listen to shows I've already heard. :idk:
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:18 PM
I just took 300 pumps. This is bullshit!!
:haha: Ur the first one to say that, so you should email the show and tell them you are the Ultimate Ass pumping champion and u should win $300!! :lol:
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:18 PM
Well no offense, but soccer is pussification anyhow! My youngest son played once..and it was a mixed league. My ex wanted him to play and I was being made out as the bad unsupporting dad cuz I said it was pussy and he should be playing football. He ended up hating it and played football the next few yrs.
But it was the same, no score kept everyone's a winner bullshit! Fuck that..what is the fucking point? That doesn't teach any life lessons other than quitters and losers can win! Shit gets me sick!
I totally see your point, but I have 2 daughters (10&8) and I want them to be active and play sports, but there are only a few they can play (hell no to softball btw) they have both taken a real liking to soccer so I'm gonna support them 100% If they were boys, totally different story.
I think it is more than hearsay Chob. They are going to have to generate a lot of ad dollars to pay for this, subs aren't going to do it. in fact, I'm betting they lose a lot of monthly subs because a lot of people couldn't care less about dl's. The only thing I've ever listened to in the archives is old Sirius shows I never heard. I'm not one to like to listen to shows I've already heard. :idk:
The FM show is already packed full of commercial time. They could sell ad time separate from the ones on the affiliates. The io show has 1 or 2 three minute breaks at this point and they should be very careful about jacking the amount of commercials up there I agree.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:20 PM
I'm sorry, Chob. I really like the show, like the downloads, into the whole thing, but this pisses me off, and Spice's attitude that our "butt-hurt feelings" might get hurt is condescending bullshit. If that's how they feel about people who place their trust in them for 1-3 years of subscription money, than fuck them.
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:20 PM
It's my opinion.
PRO-RATED REFUND for everyone who paid in advance who wants one. That is the ONLY way to make this right.
^ This
I'm sorry, Chob. I really like the show, like the downloads, into the whole thing, but this pisses me off, and Spice's attitude that our "butt-hurt feelings" might get hurt is condescending bullshit. If that's how they feel about people who place their trust in them for 1-3 years of subscription money, than fuck them.
What are you apologizing to me for? I encourage you to bitch at them so they get the fucking point. :jj:
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:22 PM
I totally see your point, but I have 2 daughters (10&8) and I want them to be active and play sports, but there are only a few they can play (hell no to softball btw) they have both taken a real liking to soccer so I'm gonna support them 100% If they were boys, totally different story.
Yeah, for girls I think it is great, or even boys if it is a real league of only boys with real winners and losers!
But IMO boys youth soccer for the most part is for little pussies that are afraid to play football, (or their parents are too much of pussies to let them play). Hell, there were even a few girls in my kids youth league. They will most likely end up dikes, but hey!! :jj:
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:23 PM
I'm sorry, Chob. I really like the show, like the downloads, into the whole thing, but this pisses me off, and Spice's attitude that our "butt-hurt feelings" might get hurt is condescending bullshit. If that's how they feel about people who place their trust in them for 1-3 years of subscription money, than fuck them.
I'm with you Pete, we thought we bought into special, now any fucking jobber (no one on here of course :whistle:) with an internet connection will get for free what we paid for. I feel like I was bamboozled. Please someone explain how giving the shows away for free is a good thing???
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 03:23 PM
chob, burke link?
stumpy
09-29-2011, 03:23 PM
I'm sorry, Chob. I really like the show, like the downloads, into the whole thing, but this pisses me off, and Spice's attitude that our "butt-hurt feelings" might get hurt is condescending bullshit. If that's how they feel about people who place their trust in them for 1-3 years of subscription money, than fuck them.
Yup. Wait till Bubba has to take these calls... "fuck off and find another show to listen to"
The bottom line is you EE's aren't getting what you paid for. You signed up for 3 years of (nearly) commercial free exclusive shows. Sure you get meet and greets - well, unless he decides he's tired and cancels them.:smug:
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:24 PM
chob, burke link?
he posted them on previous page I believe.
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:25 PM
They will most likely end up dikes, but hey!! :jj:
That's why I said no softball either. For every one Jenny Finch there are a thousand dizzikes.
Out of curiosity. For those of you that are pissed off at Bubba, what would it take (besides a refund) it terms of things Bubba can provide for you not to be as pissed? I think the Raw access thing was a really good idea that caller had, but not everyone would be happy with something like that.
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:26 PM
Yup. Wait till Bubba has to take these calls... "fuck off and find another show to listen to"
The bottom line is you EE's aren't getting what you paid for. You signed up for 3 years of (nearly) commercial free exclusive shows. Sure you get meet and greets - well, unless he decides he's tired and cancels them.:smug:
Where are these meeat and greets going to be? I just found out about the Bubba 2 being free on here
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:27 PM
I did better with SiriusXM on the phone today, cancelling my Sirius account and getting them to blow me in order to get an XM Premier account for my new car.
It's hard to put a value on the meet and greets because they're unpredictable and most of the subs can't get to one. That should not be promoted as a selling point.
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:28 PM
Yup. Wait till Bubba has to take these calls... "fuck off and find another show to listen to"
The bottom line is you EE's aren't getting what you paid for. You signed up for 3 years of (nearly) commercial free exclusive shows. Sure you get meet and greets - well, unless he decides he's tired and cancels them.:smug:
Yep, there is absolutely no way to put a positive spin on this, so Bubba will take the "if you don't like it, fuck you..." approach. I'm real tired of this bullshit myself, he needs a new gimmick when it comes to dealing with PAYING CUSTOMERS valid complaints.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:28 PM
Out of curiosity. For those of you that are pissed off at Bubba, what would it take (besides a refund) it terms of things Bubba can provide for you not to be as pissed? I think the Raw access thing was a really good idea that caller had, but not everyone would be happy with something like that.
Just the refund, Chob. I don't care about Raw, don't have time to watch. I listen to RadioIO and Sirius in virtually all of my free time.
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:28 PM
Out of curiosity. For those of you that are pissed off at Bubba, what would it take (besides a refund) it terms of things Bubba can provide for you not to be as pissed? I think the Raw access thing was a really good idea that caller had, but not everyone would be happy with something like that.
Free Bubba Raw for the remainder of the Early Enlister period. And free copy of any shirt or CD in that period.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:29 PM
Although I'd take a night with Tom Bean's Lawyer Barbie... I'd roon her.
Yep, there is absolutely no way to put a positive spin on this, so Bubba will take the "if you don't like it, fuck you..." approach. I'm real tired of this bullshit myself, he needs a new gimmick when it comes to dealing with PAYING CUSTOMERS valid complaints.
I think there's a chance, not a big one, but still a chance, that Bubba will have some tact in this situation. I know, crazy right? :lol:
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:29 PM
I think there's a chance, not a big one, but still a chance, that Bubba will have some tact in this situation. I know, crazy right? :lol:
Yes, crazy.
Free Bubba Raw for the remainder of the Early Enlister period..
I think that would be a smart move at this point. That's truly full access. Bean never got back to me about the rebate I never got. :rolleyes:
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:31 PM
Yup. Wait till Bubba has to take these calls... "fuck off and find another show to listen to"
The bottom line is you EE's aren't getting what you paid for. You signed up for 3 years of (nearly) commercial free exclusive shows. Sure you get meet and greets - well, unless he decides he's tired and cancels them.:smug:
And he hasn't even done a fuckin M n G in Tampa, though he's mentioned it like 100 times. That in itself is bullshit!!
Now I guess if they do one, any fuckin jobber that listens will be able to come! And I agree with you 100% on how he will handle pissed off callers.
Kind of listening to the 2 hr show on Monday with Spice n Beans and how much BS spin on that, not to mention the condescending attitude to EE's that are not happy.
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:31 PM
I think that would be a smart move at this point. That's truly full access. Bean never got back to me about the rebate I never got. :rolleyes:
Never got my rebate check either
Never got my rebate check either
Thanks for the data. I'm considering calling into the show if I can get through. That's another sticking point that needs to be brought up.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:33 PM
I REALLY hate it that they've made me this negative!
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:34 PM
I think that would be a smart move at this point. That's truly full access. Bean never got back to me about the rebate I never got. :rolleyes:
I thought you canceled right before the EE started? I got my $25 check! :D
And as long as I could get it and cancel my payments from here forward, I would be ok with that!
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:34 PM
And he hasn't even done a fuckin M n G in Tampa, though he's mentioned it like 100 times. That in itself is bullshit!!
Now I guess if they do one, any fuckin jobber that listens will be able to come!
They had a VIP section roped off for Early Enlisters right in front of the signing table and we got to go first in line at the meet and greet in Charleston back in March.
I thought you canceled right before the EE started? I got my $25 check! :D
And as long as I could get it and cancel my payments from here forward, I would be ok with that!
No. I cancelled afterwords because someone was making unauthorized charges on the card. I was going to cancel anyway after having paid for the EE.
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 03:37 PM
What is the WEB PAGE link to burke? Stream links themselves wont work for me
Cpt. Mcgillicutty
09-29-2011, 03:38 PM
Out of curiosity. For those of you that are pissed off at Bubba, what would it take (besides a refund) it terms of things Bubba can provide for you not to be as pissed? I think the Raw access thing was a really good idea that caller had, but not everyone would be happy with something like that.
I'm not really sure right now Chob, but I have ZERO interest in Bubba Raw.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:39 PM
What is the WEB PAGE link to burke? Stream links themselves wont work for me
http://big810am.com/
What is the WEB PAGE link to burke? Stream links themselves wont work for me
Those are it.
Except for this:
http://big810am.com/portals/5/bigradio_live2.asp
I can never get it to work though.
I'm not really sure right now Chob, but I have ZERO interest in Bubba Raw.
Fair enough.
PeteFromPA
09-29-2011, 03:40 PM
I think this whole thing is an admission by them that they cannot support the continued operations of the BRN via the subscription model. I truly do. Not enough subscribers, not enough time to turn it around, no money available, and this is their best hope to salvage things.
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:40 PM
They had a VIP section roped off for Early Enlisters right in front of the signing table and we got to go first in line at the meet and greet in Charleston back in March.
Fuck, he even has his own god damn night club here to use, so no expense or arrangement issues to deal with, so IMO it is total bullshit.
I think this whole thing is an admission by them that they cannot support the continued operations of the BRN via the subscription model. I truly do. Not enough subscribers, not enough time to turn it around, no money available, and this is their best hope to salvage things.
I do think it may possibly be a healthier long term business model but I think they jumped the gun too soon. I think maybe they should've waited another two years for the Early Enlistment period to run out and for them to get investor backing and money to pay talent in place.
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:43 PM
I think this whole thing is an admission by them that they cannot support the continued operations of the BRN via the subscription model. I truly do. Not enough subscribers, not enough time to turn it around, no money available, and this is their best hope to salvage things.
As I said earlier, I think is more that they have found there is no way to secure their shitty ass freeware and to start from scratch with a platform to be able to do that would cost more and hurt the company even more from a stock standpoint. So now no one has a reason to steal the shows.
But they must have some money and income to bring on Burke and Lege full time to pay them right?
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:44 PM
Stock is up .008 :D
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 03:44 PM
Had to run it in windows explorer, works now. Is this burke?
This deal reminded me to do something I've been meaning to do for a while, cancel bubba raw. I just dont go there anymore (for numerous months), and hey...there's some slight savings.
What would it take to "make it right"? I honestly don't know. For me, a decent attitude would be nice. I really like spice, likely my favorite "other guy" on the show. However, this "butt hurt" bullshit attitude sucks. I know he's in a TOUGH spot on this deal, but don't use the antagonistic approach when you BEST and most LOYAL fans are the ones feeling like they've been mislead, and fucked.
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:45 PM
Stock is up .008 :D
Now if it would only triple I could make some money back!! :jj:
PissJug
09-29-2011, 03:45 PM
Are you the same Milkman that gives Carlito the prank call numbers on the Madhouse show?
Did Spice literally say "butthurt?" I didn't catch it, but if he did say that it's shitty. He's in a hard spot but needs to know that people have a reason to be angry.
milkman
09-29-2011, 03:46 PM
This deal reminded me to do something I've been meaning to do for a while, cancel bubba raw. I just dont go there anymore (for numerous months), and hey...there's some slight savings.
oh come on man, you know you are going to wait until this butt pump challenge is put up before you cancel!! :jj:
Slidejob Jones
09-29-2011, 03:47 PM
Did Spice literally say "butthurt?" I didn't catch it, but if he did say that it's shitty. He's in a hard spot but needs to know that people have a reason to be angry.
More than once.
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